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		<title>Comment on The new &#8220;Freedom Of Choice&#8221; does not account for accessibility needs! by The Windows Browser Choice screen, 2 weeks in &#171; Tuna Park</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2010/02/23/the-new-freedom-of-choice-does-not-account-for-accessibility-needs/comment-page-1/#comment-35182</link>
		<dc:creator>The Windows Browser Choice screen, 2 weeks in &#171; Tuna Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] into a few approaches to this.  Watch this space.  Also, we are aware that browserchoice.eu is not very helpful for blind web-users.  We will do what we can to address this, at least in our content [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] into a few approaches to this.  Watch this space.  Also, we are aware that browserchoice.eu is not very helpful for blind web-users.  We will do what we can to address this, at least in our content [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Easy ARIA Tip #5: aria-expanded and aria-controls by Jens Grochtdreis</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2010/02/10/easy-aria-tip-5-aria-expanded-and-aria-controls/comment-page-1/#comment-35168</link>
		<dc:creator>Jens Grochtdreis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the good explanation. As you&#039;ve mentioned my blog I started to add WAI-ARIA as you described to it. I wrote an article - in German - about the jQuery-script that enhanced the website in the WAI-ARIA-way:
http://grochtdreis.de/weblog/2010/03/11/anreicherung-meiner-webseite-mit-wai-aria/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the good explanation. As you&#8217;ve mentioned my blog I started to add WAI-ARIA as you described to it. I wrote an article &#8211; in German &#8211; about the jQuery-script that enhanced the website in the WAI-ARIA-way:<br />
<a href="http://grochtdreis.de/weblog/2010/03/11/anreicherung-meiner-webseite-mit-wai-aria/" rel="nofollow">http://grochtdreis.de/weblog/2010/03/11/anreicherung-meiner-webseite-mit-wai-aria/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Easy ARIA Tip #5: aria-expanded and aria-controls by Anreicherung meiner Webseite mit WAI-ARIA &#171; F-LOG-GE</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2010/02/10/easy-aria-tip-5-aria-expanded-and-aria-controls/comment-page-1/#comment-35166</link>
		<dc:creator>Anreicherung meiner Webseite mit WAI-ARIA &#171; F-LOG-GE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Zehe hat in seinem Blog freundlicherweise beschrieben, welche Elemente welche Attribute bekommen m&#252;ssen. Diese Technik ist nur sinnvoll und [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Zehe hat in seinem Blog freundlicherweise beschrieben, welche Elemente welche Attribute bekommen m&#252;ssen. Diese Technik ist nur sinnvoll und [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Article on how to use NVDA and Firefox to test web sites for accessibility by Marco</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2009/04/14/article-on-how-to-use-nvda-and-firefox-to-test-web-sites-for-accessibility/comment-page-1/#comment-35126</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article works the same in Firefox 3.6 with NVDA. What Google Chrome is concerned, it is not accessible yet. It doesn&#039;t expose information to screen readers properly currently, so it cannot be used with NVDA to test your web pages. The one other browser on Windows that currently works with screen readers such as NVDA is Microsoft Internet Explorer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article works the same in Firefox 3.6 with NVDA. What Google Chrome is concerned, it is not accessible yet. It doesn&#8217;t expose information to screen readers properly currently, so it cannot be used with NVDA to test your web pages. The one other browser on Windows that currently works with screen readers such as NVDA is Microsoft Internet Explorer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Article on how to use NVDA and Firefox to test web sites for accessibility by Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2009/04/14/article-on-how-to-use-nvda-and-firefox-to-test-web-sites-for-accessibility/comment-page-1/#comment-35071</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about testing for newer browser versions, along with googles new browser?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about testing for newer browser versions, along with googles new browser?</p>
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		<title>Comment on New approaches to Flash and Java accessibility in the browser on Windows by Flash Accessibility Only on Windows? at STC AccessAbility SIG</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2009/10/02/new-approaches-to-flash-and-java-accessibility-in-the-browser-on-windows/comment-page-1/#comment-34866</link>
		<dc:creator>Flash Accessibility Only on Windows? at STC AccessAbility SIG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his post about Flash accessibility, Marco Zehe expresses hope that &#8220;the better support in NVDA for Flash should also be an [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The new &#8220;Freedom Of Choice&#8221; does not account for accessibility needs! by Browser Choice, ma non per chi usa tecnologie assistive &#171; The Kiwi Project</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2010/02/23/the-new-freedom-of-choice-does-not-account-for-accessibility-needs/comment-page-1/#comment-34305</link>
		<dc:creator>Browser Choice, ma non per chi usa tecnologie assistive &#171; The Kiwi Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Maggiori dettagli su questo tema sugli articoli che hanno ispirato il mio post: qui e qui. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The new &#8220;Freedom Of Choice&#8221; does not account for accessibility needs! by The Blind Buzz on Accessibility &#171; The BAT Channel</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2010/02/23/the-new-freedom-of-choice-does-not-account-for-accessibility-needs/comment-page-1/#comment-33865</link>
		<dc:creator>The Blind Buzz on Accessibility &#171; The BAT Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to offer a choice of web browsers rather than imposing Internet Explorer on every user. But  read this article before you cheer too [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The new &#8220;Freedom Of Choice&#8221; does not account for accessibility needs! by The Blind Buzz on Accessibility &#171; The Blind Buzz</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2010/02/23/the-new-freedom-of-choice-does-not-account-for-accessibility-needs/comment-page-1/#comment-33796</link>
		<dc:creator>The Blind Buzz on Accessibility &#171; The Blind Buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to offer a choice of web browsers rather than imposing Internet Explorer on every user. But  read this article before you cheer too [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The new &#8220;Freedom Of Choice&#8221; does not account for accessibility needs! by The Paciello Group Blog &#187; Freedom of Choice</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2010/02/23/the-new-freedom-of-choice-does-not-account-for-accessibility-needs/comment-page-1/#comment-33751</link>
		<dc:creator>The Paciello Group Blog &#187; Freedom of Choice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The new “Freedom Of Choice” does not account for accessibility needs! by Marco Zehe. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Easy ARIA Tip #5: aria-expanded and aria-controls by Philipp</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2010/02/10/easy-aria-tip-5-aria-expanded-and-aria-controls/comment-page-1/#comment-33678</link>
		<dc:creator>Philipp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(oups, wordpress stripped my source example, so i posted it on pastebin: http://pastebin.com/f71eb2e05 )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(oups, wordpress stripped my source example, so i posted it on pastebin: <a href="http://pastebin.com/f71eb2e05" rel="nofollow">http://pastebin.com/f71eb2e05</a> )</p>
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		<title>Comment on Easy ARIA Tip #5: aria-expanded and aria-controls by Philipp</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2010/02/10/easy-aria-tip-5-aria-expanded-and-aria-controls/comment-page-1/#comment-33677</link>
		<dc:creator>Philipp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it make sense to mark a region as &quot;aria-expanded: false&quot;, if it&#039;s removed from the DOM with &quot;display: none&quot;?

If I have construct with many ARIA-stuff inside, do you think that&#039;s too much? It declares the whole box with the expandable content inside als aria-live:polite, gives the &quot;Close&quot;-Button a role:button and the expandable fulltext has a aria-expanded:true/false, if you click on the headline or close button.

Here is an example: 


&lt;a href=&quot;permalinkURL&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Headline&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a&gt;Close Box&lt;/a&gt;
Full text only visible if you click on the h2-element
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it make sense to mark a region as &#8220;aria-expanded: false&#8221;, if it&#8217;s removed from the DOM with &#8220;display: none&#8221;?</p>
<p>If I have construct with many ARIA-stuff inside, do you think that&#8217;s too much? It declares the whole box with the expandable content inside als aria-live:polite, gives the &#8220;Close&#8221;-Button a role:button and the expandable fulltext has a aria-expanded:true/false, if you click on the headline or close button.</p>
<p>Here is an example: </p>
<p><a href="permalinkURL" rel="nofollow">Headline</a><br />
<a>Close Box</a><br />
Full text only visible if you click on the h2-element</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Marco</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/about/comment-page-1/#comment-33662</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cynthia,

I didn&#039;t do anything special other than switch the editor when composing blog posts from the WYSIWYG to the HTML editor. WYSIWYG is built on TinyMCE, which is not accessible, the HTML editor is a simple text area. I did this once when writing my first post, and that was it. Nothing fancy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cynthia,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t do anything special other than switch the editor when composing blog posts from the WYSIWYG to the HTML editor. WYSIWYG is built on TinyMCE, which is not accessible, the HTML editor is a simple text area. I did this once when writing my first post, and that was it. Nothing fancy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Cynthia Lay</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/about/comment-page-1/#comment-33659</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia Lay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Marco - I was just doing some research and ran across your blog. I&#039;m hoping you can give me some advice. I have a friend who is blind, and she wants to start a blog about all the things she does when training helper dogs. I want to set it up for her, but I&#039;m hesitant to use Wordpress. There are times when it&#039;s totally frustrating to me -- so I can imagine it would drive my friend crazy even more!

But it looks like you&#039;re using wordpress here. Is there anything special you&#039;d recommend for her? Any advice or tools I could pass along to her as we get her set up to start blogging?

Please share your thoughts. I&#039;d love to hear from you. 

Thanks a bunch,
Cynthia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marco &#8211; I was just doing some research and ran across your blog. I&#8217;m hoping you can give me some advice. I have a friend who is blind, and she wants to start a blog about all the things she does when training helper dogs. I want to set it up for her, but I&#8217;m hesitant to use Wordpress. There are times when it&#8217;s totally frustrating to me &#8212; so I can imagine it would drive my friend crazy even more!</p>
<p>But it looks like you&#8217;re using wordpress here. Is there anything special you&#8217;d recommend for her? Any advice or tools I could pass along to her as we get her set up to start blogging?</p>
<p>Please share your thoughts. I&#8217;d love to hear from you. </p>
<p>Thanks a bunch,<br />
Cynthia</p>
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		<title>Comment on New accessibility features in Firefox 3.6 by Rich Caloggero</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2009/11/09/new-accessibility-features-in-3-6/comment-page-2/#comment-33599</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Caloggero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update: I just installed the latest trunk nightly build of Firefox (3.7a2pre ) and am happy to report that both Jaws and NVDA now read the lists in the AddOn manager again. However, what they do not do is tell you when the &quot;restart firefox&quot; message has appeared (which happens when the state of an installed extension or plugin changes).

Thanx Marco for an interesting and informative blog, and thanx to the entire Mozilla community for continuing to actively support accessibility.
-- Rich
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update: I just installed the latest trunk nightly build of Firefox (3.7a2pre ) and am happy to report that both Jaws and NVDA now read the lists in the AddOn manager again. However, what they do not do is tell you when the &#8220;restart firefox&#8221; message has appeared (which happens when the state of an installed extension or plugin changes).</p>
<p>Thanx Marco for an interesting and informative blog, and thanx to the entire Mozilla community for continuing to actively support accessibility.<br />
&#8211; Rich<br />
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		<title>Comment on New accessibility features in Firefox 3.6 by Rich Caloggero</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2009/11/09/new-accessibility-features-in-3-6/comment-page-2/#comment-33594</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Caloggero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 06:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been noticing some instability while using Firefox with Jaws on Windows XP in the past month.

I&#039;m using the following versions of Firefox and Jaws:
Jaws 11.0.756
Firefox 3.6

First of all, I&#039;ve noticed a loss of ability to navigate the lists in the addOn viewer in Firefox (tools -&gt; Add Ons).  Firefox 3.6 will not allow navigation of my list of currently loaded extensions or plugins via the 
arrow keys. 

This behavior occurs using Firefox 3.6 with Jaws 11 and 10, as well as nvda 2009.1.


The other issue is that every so often, seemingly at random, my entire virtual buffer will go away and all I&#039;ll be able to do with Firefox is to tab among focusable items. It seems to happen on page load, and it seems to affect the entire browser: all tabs and windows.

Has anyone seen these two issues? Has anyone seen similar using a different screen reader / operating system?

-- Rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been noticing some instability while using Firefox with Jaws on Windows XP in the past month.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m using the following versions of Firefox and Jaws:<br />
Jaws 11.0.756<br />
Firefox 3.6</p>
<p>First of all, I&#8217;ve noticed a loss of ability to navigate the lists in the addOn viewer in Firefox (tools -&gt; Add Ons).  Firefox 3.6 will not allow navigation of my list of currently loaded extensions or plugins via the<br />
arrow keys. </p>
<p>This behavior occurs using Firefox 3.6 with Jaws 11 and 10, as well as nvda 2009.1.</p>
<p>The other issue is that every so often, seemingly at random, my entire virtual buffer will go away and all I&#8217;ll be able to do with Firefox is to tab among focusable items. It seems to happen on page load, and it seems to affect the entire browser: all tabs and windows.</p>
<p>Has anyone seen these two issues? Has anyone seen similar using a different screen reader / operating system?</p>
<p>&#8211; Rich</p>
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		<title>Comment on My first experience using an accessible touch screen device by The Blind Buzz on Accessibility &#171; The BAT Channel</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2009/06/22/my-first-experience-using-an-accessible-touch-screen-device/comment-page-2/#comment-33575</link>
		<dc:creator>The Blind Buzz on Accessibility &#171; The BAT Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  My first experience using an accessible touch screen device – Marco’s Accessibility Blog [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on My first experience using an accessible touch screen device by The Blind Buzz on Accessibility &#171; AccessTech News</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2009/06/22/my-first-experience-using-an-accessible-touch-screen-device/comment-page-2/#comment-33574</link>
		<dc:creator>The Blind Buzz on Accessibility &#171; AccessTech News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  My first experience using an accessible touch screen device – Marco’s Accessibility Blog [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Easy ARIA tip #2: aria-labelledby and aria-describedby by Easy ARIA Tip #5: aria-expanded and aria-controls &#171; Marco&#8217;s accessibility blog</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/03/23/easy-aria-tip-2-aria-labelledby-and-aria-describedby/comment-page-1/#comment-33279</link>
		<dc:creator>Easy ARIA Tip #5: aria-expanded and aria-controls &#171; Marco&#8217;s accessibility blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] aria-labelledby and aria-describedby [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Easy ARIA Tip #5: aria-expanded and aria-controls by Marco</title>
		<link>http://www.marcozehe.de/2010/02/10/easy-aria-tip-5-aria-expanded-and-aria-controls/comment-page-1/#comment-33278</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Aaron, sorry for the delay in responding! You wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;does aria-controls affect the behavior of any of the screen readers? Or can the screen reader user navigate to what it points to?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Theoretically, a screen reader can use the relational info provided by IAccessible2/ATK to provide a navigational means to navigate to that content. However, I am not aware than any screen readr actually uses that info yet. But perhaps this article inspires some creativity among the screen reader developers!

&lt;blockquote&gt;When the item is expanded, should the author make it next in the tab order so that users can navigate to it with a tab key when it’s expanded?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, this is an excellent point, and I&#039;ve updated the article to reflect that. Thanks! So far, I have seen mostly cases where the newly expanded content actually follows the item that expands the new chunk, directly in the source code. In this case, screen readers pick it up. The example I linked to, does this. The list of archive months appears in the source code directly below the &quot;Archive&quot; heading, which makes it easily navigable just by down arrowing.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Finally, I think some screen readers may automatically try to read live changes on a page when a user’s click or key press caused the change. Firefox has an object attribute to tell the AT when this has happened. I’m not sure if anyone has implemented that. If they have, it might be important to put aria-live=”off” on the expanding region.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I am not aware of any Windows screen reader trying to do automatic detection of non-marked up live regions. Orca on GNOME does that to some extent, but it didn&#039;t do it for me in this example. I guess it depends on testing the web page with a screen reader (this should be done anyway), and set this attribute if necessary. I&#039;ll put a note in the article update to that effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Aaron, sorry for the delay in responding! You wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>does aria-controls affect the behavior of any of the screen readers? Or can the screen reader user navigate to what it points to?</p></blockquote>
<p>Theoretically, a screen reader can use the relational info provided by IAccessible2/ATK to provide a navigational means to navigate to that content. However, I am not aware than any screen readr actually uses that info yet. But perhaps this article inspires some creativity among the screen reader developers!</p>
<blockquote><p>When the item is expanded, should the author make it next in the tab order so that users can navigate to it with a tab key when it’s expanded?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, this is an excellent point, and I&#8217;ve updated the article to reflect that. Thanks! So far, I have seen mostly cases where the newly expanded content actually follows the item that expands the new chunk, directly in the source code. In this case, screen readers pick it up. The example I linked to, does this. The list of archive months appears in the source code directly below the &#8220;Archive&#8221; heading, which makes it easily navigable just by down arrowing.</p>
<blockquote><p>Finally, I think some screen readers may automatically try to read live changes on a page when a user’s click or key press caused the change. Firefox has an object attribute to tell the AT when this has happened. I’m not sure if anyone has implemented that. If they have, it might be important to put aria-live=”off” on the expanding region.</p></blockquote>
<p>I am not aware of any Windows screen reader trying to do automatic detection of non-marked up live regions. Orca on GNOME does that to some extent, but it didn&#8217;t do it for me in this example. I guess it depends on testing the web page with a screen reader (this should be done anyway), and set this attribute if necessary. I&#8217;ll put a note in the article update to that effect.</p>
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