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		<title>By: New accessibility features in Firefox 3.6 &#171; The BAT Channel</title>
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		<dc:creator>New accessibility features in Firefox 3.6 &#171; The BAT Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blogged about this in more detail here. This gives screen readers access to all kinds of table structures, be it ordinary data tables, [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>New accessibility features in Firefox 3.6 &#171; AccessTech News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blogged about this in more detail here. This gives screen readers access to all kinds of table structures, be it ordinary data tables, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: New accessibility features in 3.6 &#171; Marco&#8217;s accessibility blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>New accessibility features in 3.6 &#171; Marco&#8217;s accessibility blog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] blogged about this in more detail here. This gives screen readers access to all kinds of table structures, be it ordinary data tables, [...]</description>
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RT @MarcoZehe Tables in Firefox updated to support IAccessibleTable2 - call for testing by a11y devs  [link to post] #fb&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://chatcatcher.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Posted using Chat Catcher&lt;/a&gt; </description>
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RT @MarcoZehe Tables in Firefox updated to support IAccessibleTable2 &#8211; call for testing by a11y devs  [link to post] #fb</p>
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		<title>By: Marco</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that I updated the contents of this post. The IAccessibleTable2 and other related bug fixes and new features were backported to the Firefox 3.6 branch on October 29 and have been included in the 20091029 nightly builds of Firefox 3.6.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that I updated the contents of this post. The IAccessibleTable2 and other related bug fixes and new features were backported to the Firefox 3.6 branch on October 29 and have been included in the 20091029 nightly builds of Firefox 3.6.</p>
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		<title>By: The current state of accessible Firefox on the Mac, your help is appreciated! &#171; Marco&#8217;s accessibility blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The current state of accessible Firefox on the Mac, your help is appreciated! &#171; Marco&#8217;s accessibility blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Marco&#8217;s accessibility blog Musings, tips and tricks about the accessible software world      &#171; You&#8217;re a table, and I don&#8217;t care what lies underneath [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Marco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the ultimate goal, yes.</description>
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		<title>By: Hermann Bender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hermann Bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Thunderbird: Are you talking about the message list in TB&#039;s 
inbox?
If so, would it then be possible to scroll through the mail haeadings as in 
a table? That means, can you then scroll through all senders, subjects 
etc.?</description>
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inbox?<br />
If so, would it then be possible to scroll through the mail haeadings as in<br />
a table? That means, can you then scroll through all senders, subjects<br />
etc.?</p>
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		<title>By: Marco</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Hermann, with JAWS 9, you&#039;ll probably not notice a difference. IAccessibleTable2 needs to be implemented in assistive technologies first before users will notice increased accuracy in recognizing headings and other info in properly marked up data tables. Also, in the future, working with message tables such as the one found in Thunderbird should become more reliable, because we&#039;ll expose the same kind of information. It&#039;s a table, regardless of the underlying markup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hermann, with JAWS 9, you&#8217;ll probably not notice a difference. IAccessibleTable2 needs to be implemented in assistive technologies first before users will notice increased accuracy in recognizing headings and other info in properly marked up data tables. Also, in the future, working with message tables such as the one found in Thunderbird should become more reliable, because we&#8217;ll expose the same kind of information. It&#8217;s a table, regardless of the underlying markup.</p>
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		<title>By: Hermann Bender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hermann Bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which effects does this have for the users? E.g.: Can I see any difference 
when viewing certain tables using FF 3.5.3 and the 3.7 nightlies?
I use Jaws 9.0 and NVDA.</description>
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when viewing certain tables using FF 3.5.3 and the 3.7 nightlies?<br />
I use Jaws 9.0 and NVDA.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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