Comments on: Review of the WebVisum Firefox extension http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/ Musings, tips and tricks about the accessible software world Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:17:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: bURT hENRY http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-25674 bURT hENRY Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:03:04 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-25674 jUST A NOTE ON CAPTCHA SOLVING-iN COUNTRIES WITH LOW WAGES HUMAN CAPTCHA SOLVING IS A BIG BIZ, AND AT 30SECS PER CAPTCHA MUCH SLOWER. uNTIL THIS TECH BECOMES WIDELY AVAILABLE, AND FAST, nothing will change, and if captcha solving in bulk becomes common and fast then finally maybe web designers will start using another, and hopefully more blind friendly alt to bleeping captcha. jUST A NOTE ON CAPTCHA SOLVING-iN COUNTRIES WITH LOW WAGES HUMAN CAPTCHA SOLVING IS A BIG BIZ, AND AT 30SECS PER CAPTCHA MUCH SLOWER. uNTIL THIS TECH BECOMES WIDELY AVAILABLE, AND FAST, nothing will change, and if captcha solving in bulk becomes common and fast then finally maybe web designers will start using another, and hopefully more blind friendly alt to bleeping captcha.

]]> By: Marco http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-25143 Marco Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:06:59 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-25143 This is getting off-topic, but just a short note that I know the name, but have never seen Cobra in action. Don't even know if it's in a release state at all yet. I also know tht it does not support Firefox, at least I've never been contacted by any Cobra developer about Mozilla accessibility questions. This is getting off-topic, but just a short note that I know the name, but have never seen Cobra in action. Don’t even know if it’s in a release state at all yet. I also know tht it does not support Firefox, at least I’ve never been contacted by any Cobra developer about Mozilla accessibility questions.

]]> By: Jean-Philippe Rykiel http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-25142 Jean-Philippe Rykiel Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:05:07 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-25142 Dear Marco, Do you know about Cobra ? http://www.baum.de/cobra/index_en.php Is it going to be as revolutionary as they say ? Cheers, JPR Dear Marco,
Do you know about Cobra ?
http://www.baum.de/cobra/index_en.php
Is it going to be as revolutionary as they say ?
Cheers,

JPR

]]> By: Marco http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-25070 Marco Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:34:52 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-25070 Hi JPR, the reason might be MySpace's heavy use of Flash. It is known that many, especially the commercial screen readers, don't interact with the Adobe Flash plugin for Firefox as good as they do with the one for Internet Explorer. To see if this is really a Firefox issue, which I don't believe it is, you could try out NVDA and their support for Flash. See this blog post of mine for more info: http://www.marcozehe.de/2009/10/02/new-approaches-to-flash-and-java-accessibility-in-the-browser-on-windows/ Marco Hi JPR, the reason might be MySpace’s heavy use of Flash. It is known that many, especially the commercial screen readers, don’t interact with the Adobe Flash plugin for Firefox as good as they do with the one for Internet Explorer. To see if this is really a Firefox issue, which I don’t believe it is, you could try out NVDA and their support for Flash. See this blog post of mine for more info: http://www.marcozehe.de/2009/10/02/new-approaches-to-flash-and-java-accessibility-in-the-browser-on-windows/

Marco

]]> By: Jean-Philippe Rykiel http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-25047 Jean-Philippe Rykiel Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:46:49 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-25047 Dear Marco, some websites still seem to be more accessible with Internet Explorer than with Firefox. When I navigate on my MySpace page, the music player link is hardly accessible with I E but it still is if you use the jaws cursor. When I do the same with Firefox, I cannot reach this link no matter what I try. Curiously some of my friends claim that they can reach this link with Firefox two and so I wander if you could try it for yourself and tell me the results. As always, you can answer me personally and not publish this comment if you think that's best. Cheers, JPR Dear Marco,
some websites still seem to be more accessible with Internet Explorer than with Firefox. When I navigate on my MySpace page, the music player link is hardly accessible with I E but it still is if you use the jaws cursor. When I do the same with Firefox, I cannot reach this link no matter what I try. Curiously some of my friends claim that they can reach this link with Firefox two and so I wander if you could try it for yourself and tell me the results. As always, you can answer me personally and not publish this comment if you think that’s best.
Cheers,
JPR

]]> By: stcaccess (STC AccessAbilitySIG) http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-20128 stcaccess (STC AccessAbilitySIG) Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:04:54 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-20128 <strong>Twitter Comment</strong> <a href="http://twitter.com/stcaccess" title="Twitter Comment" rel="nofollow"> <div title="stcaccess (STC AccessAbilitySIG)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:60px;height:60px;background:url(http://www.marcozehe.de/wp-content/plugins/chatcatcher/picbg.jpg) no-repeat top;cursor:hand;"> </div> <div title="stcaccess (STC AccessAbilitySIG)" style="float:left;margin-left:-70px;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:60px;height:60px;background:url(http://purl.org/net/spiurl/stcaccess) no-repeat top;cursor:hand;"> </div> </a> Review of Webvisum, a Firefox extension for #accessibility enhancements by @marcozehe [link to post]<br /><br /> - <a href="http://chatcatcher.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Posted using Chat Catcher</a> Twitter Comment


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]]> By: Jean-Philippe Rykiel http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-19821 Jean-Philippe Rykiel Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:08:40 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-19821 Dear Marco, I have tried to contact Webvisum a number of times and never had any reply. I am logged in with my user name and used the "contact us" form for my enquiries. I have no idea if they do not get my messages or if they feel they don't have to reply to them. I wonder if by any chance my messages might be landing in their spam box. I don't necessarily want to make this question public, but You are my only hope, as I think my questions have an interest. You can of course reply to me personally if you want. Thank you for your help, Cheers, JPR Dear Marco,
I have tried to contact Webvisum a number of times and never had any reply. I am logged in with my user name and used the “contact us” form for my enquiries.
I have no idea if they do not get my messages or if they feel they don’t have to reply to them.
I wonder if by any chance my messages might be landing in their spam box.
I don’t necessarily want to make this question public, but You are my only hope, as I think my questions have an interest.
You can of course reply to me personally if you want.
Thank you for your help,
Cheers,
JPR

]]> By: Marco http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-19646 Marco Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:31:35 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-19646 Hi JPR, Unfortunately, Flash is out of the scope of WebVisum currently. The OCR part only works on images (GIF, JPG, PNG etc.) included in web pages, not on Flash content. Also, the labelling feature does not currently work on Flash objects, either. Whether this will happen in a future version or if this is even technically possible I do not know. Hi JPR,

Unfortunately, Flash is out of the scope of WebVisum currently. The OCR part only works on images (GIF, JPG, PNG etc.) included in web pages, not on Flash content. Also, the labelling feature does not currently work on Flash objects, either. Whether this will happen in a future version or if this is even technically possible I do not know.

]]> By: Jean-Philippe Rykiel http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-19633 Jean-Philippe Rykiel Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:22:01 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-19633 Dear Marco, I'm a new Firefox user and have also been seduced by Webvisum. The captcha solver has been a really incredible breakthrough and I hope it lasts. However, I have tried to use the OCR function but not succeeded. I wonder if I understood it well, but pointing at a Flash animation and performing OCR only gave me the honk error sound and nothing else. There is also a problem I would like to mention here which concerns blind musicians who want to use MySpace. This site has been criticised quite a bit for not being accessible and well it should. But I wonder if Webvisum could do something about it. There are quite a few blind musicians in the world who wonder why the few buttons on the music player present on every MySpace music profile are not shown by Jaws. I even ask Freedom scientific who said there was nothing they could do. Do you think there could be a solution? All the best, JPR Dear Marco,
I’m a new Firefox user and have also been seduced by Webvisum. The captcha solver has been a really incredible breakthrough and I hope it lasts.
However, I have tried to use the OCR function but not succeeded. I wonder if I understood it well, but pointing at a Flash animation and performing OCR only gave me the honk error sound and nothing else.
There is also a problem I would like to mention here which concerns blind musicians who want to use MySpace. This site has been criticised quite a bit for not being accessible and well it should. But I wonder if Webvisum could do something about it. There are quite a few blind musicians in the world who wonder why the few buttons on the music player present on every MySpace music profile are not shown by Jaws. I even ask Freedom scientific who said there was nothing they could do. Do you think there could be a solution?
All the best,
JPR

]]> By: Dana Fox http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-8997 Dana Fox Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:04:02 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-8997 I am interested in using Web Visum to enable visually impaired staff at social service agencies to use our software out of the box. Is it possible to use this technology in languages other than english from the same web site? Is there someone I can speak with that has this experience? I am interested in using Web Visum to enable visually impaired staff at social service agencies to use our software out of the box. Is it possible to use this technology in languages other than english from the same web site?
Is there someone I can speak with that has this experience?

]]> By: Marc http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-8684 Marc Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:43:00 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-8684 I would add also : https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9508 Enables Firefox to search MSN, Yahoo and Google simultaneously via the http://umibozu.net engine I would add also :

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9508

Enables Firefox to search MSN, Yahoo and Google simultaneously via the http://umibozu.net engine

]]> By: Richard Morton http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-8658 Richard Morton Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:51:11 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-8658 It is a real dilemma to know what to do with Captcha. Even as a sighted user I find it frustating to use because some are much less readable than others (Google's aren't particularly easy to read for example). Other ways around it (apart from audio versions which have limitations as mentioned previously) can work but can have their own difficulties. One way we have used is to have a code that can get around the Captcha which is published on the site and read out by a screen reader. It has the advatantage of being easy to use and not immediately obvious to a non-human spammer, but I guess it is only a matter of time before the spammers start using artificial intelligence to be able to get around these things. It is a real dilemma to know what to do with Captcha. Even as a sighted user I find it frustating to use because some are much less readable than others (Google’s aren’t particularly easy to read for example).
Other ways around it (apart from audio versions which have limitations as mentioned previously) can work but can have their own difficulties. One way we have used is to have a code that can get around the Captcha which is published on the site and read out by a screen reader. It has the advatantage of being easy to use and not immediately obvious to a non-human spammer, but I guess it is only a matter of time before the spammers start using artificial intelligence to be able to get around these things.

]]> By: Internetagentur München http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-7857 Internetagentur München Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:47:42 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-7857 This plugin really sounds unbelievable. On the browser side there was not much done in the past for blind and visually impaired people because they were not the main target group. So I would like to thank the developers who are considering these people who are enchancing accessability and usability! This plugin really sounds unbelievable. On the browser side there was not much done in the past for blind and visually impaired people because they were not the main target group. So I would like to thank the developers who are considering these people who are enchancing accessability and usability!

]]> By: Web visum helpt slechtzienden op het internet « Speciaal Onderwijs en ict http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-6722 Web visum helpt slechtzienden op het internet « Speciaal Onderwijs en ict Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:29:41 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-6722 [...] in het Nederlands te zien zijn. De handleiding is nog wel in het Engels. Verder kwam ik een blogpost tegen waarop de add-on uitvoerig besproken [...] [...] in het Nederlands te zien zijn. De handleiding is nog wel in het Engels. Verder kwam ik een blogpost tegen waarop de add-on uitvoerig besproken [...]

]]> By: Byz http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-3474 Byz Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:37:26 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-3474 I have some question about webvisum engine tecnology. I look around the site and I didn't find technical information about engine only about plug-in. some link? I have some question about webvisum engine tecnology.
I look around the site and I didn’t find technical information about engine only about plug-in.

some link?

]]> By: Marco’s accessibility blog » Blog Archive » WebVisum had to switch to an invitational registration system, I can give out invites! http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-3115 Marco’s accessibility blog » Blog Archive » WebVisum had to switch to an invitational registration system, I can give out invites! Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:11:32 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-3115 [...] Review of the WebVisum Firefox extension. [...] [...] Review of the WebVisum Firefox extension. [...]

]]> By: Antonio Cezar Locutor http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-2680 Antonio Cezar Locutor Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:28:46 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-2680 Hi. I noticed that WebVisun does not manage to work well in Captcha when it is required the letters capital letters fingering and minuscule. But it managed to behave itself well in lots of sites that before were inaccessible. However I had difficulties for captchas in http://www.linhadecodigo.com.br/Artigo.aspx?id=1284 or in the site http://www40.dataprev.gov.br/cgi-bin/fccgi.exe?w3exec=Identificacao Also do not manage to change the shortcut keys starting from a keyboard in Portuguese, because he does not assimilate anything different from standard or shifit tab. Then I use the context menu and solve the thing. Hugs. Oh! I can help with the translation for Portuguese of Brazil. Hi.
I noticed that WebVisun does not manage to work well in Captcha when it is required the letters capital letters fingering and minuscule. But it managed to behave itself well in lots of sites that before were inaccessible. However I had difficulties for captchas in http://www.linhadecodigo.com.br/Artigo.aspx?id=1284 or in the site http://www40.dataprev.gov.br/cgi-bin/fccgi.exe?w3exec=Identificacao
Also do not manage to change the shortcut keys starting from a keyboard in Portuguese, because he does not assimilate anything different from standard or shifit tab. Then I use the context menu and solve the thing.
Hugs.
Oh! I can help with the translation for Portuguese of Brazil.

]]> By: Shawn K http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-2490 Shawn K Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:29:49 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-2490 I would have loved to try this out. Unfortunately Firefox 3 won't run on my system, I have xp Home with SP2. When I looked at the ff forums there were so many reasons why ff3 would crash at startup and so many complicated things to try to fix it, and so many people for whom no suggestion worked that I just gave up in disgust. I'd love to have that earlier version that DJC was using that worked with FF2. As it is I've signed up with Social Accessibility and will stick with that until a more stable and less finicky version of Firefox comes along. FF3 apparently crashes on Macs and systems running Linux as well. Before I gave up I ruled out any plugins or add ons causing the problem, and I don't have Google Desktop or the roboform plugin or the Yahoo Ap that was said to cause the problem on some systems. I also tried ff3.1 beta with no luck. I would have loved to try this out. Unfortunately Firefox 3 won’t run on my system, I have xp Home with SP2. When I looked at the ff forums there were so many reasons why ff3 would crash at startup and so many complicated things to try to fix it, and so many people for whom no suggestion worked that I just gave up in disgust. I’d love to have that earlier version that DJC was using that worked with FF2. As it is I’ve signed up with Social Accessibility and will stick with that until a more stable and less finicky version of Firefox comes along. FF3 apparently crashes on Macs and systems running Linux as well. Before I gave up I ruled out any plugins or add ons causing the problem, and I don’t have Google Desktop or the roboform plugin or the Yahoo Ap that was said to cause the problem on some systems. I also tried ff3.1 beta with no luck.

]]> By: Talking Books Librarian http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-2311 Talking Books Librarian Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:49:19 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-2311 Hi, I just found this blog via the WebVisum website. I’m glad to find another accessibility blog! I am a Talking Books Librarian and blog about various resources for people with disabilities and also about library-related issues. Feel free to check it out at http://talkingbookslibrarian.blogspot.com (Sorry if this is a double post, I realized I had the address wrong in the previous submission!) Hi, I just found this blog via the WebVisum website. I’m glad to find another accessibility blog! I am a Talking Books Librarian and blog about various resources for people with disabilities and also about library-related issues. Feel free to check it out at http://talkingbookslibrarian.blogspot.com

(Sorry if this is a double post, I realized I had the address wrong in the previous submission!)

]]> By: AccessTech http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/comment-page-1/#comment-2241 AccessTech Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:04:03 +0000 http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/03/review-of-the-webvisum-firefox-extension/#comment-2241 [...] Posted on July 25, 2008. Filed under: Reviews | Review of the WebVisum Firefox extension [...] [...] Posted on July 25, 2008. Filed under: Reviews | Review of the WebVisum Firefox extension [...]

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